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wingnutter Forever Learning 
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Sakura wrote: I've noticed members have been saying.. So just that I understand this; Some of your forum members make a post and in that post they ask you to ask for their permission to have that post on the forum, even though it's already there because they posted it themselves?
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lor License Holder 
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Just make a forum rule saying that as a condition of joining the forum all members understand that by posting a message they relinquish all copywrite to the contents of that message, and the forum owner and moderators may at any time edit, delete or lock that message. I really thought, because of the nature of Internet Forums, that rule would have been implied anyway. Chris
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martin_wynne Licence Holder 
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lor wrote: Just make a forum rule saying that as a condition of joining the forum all members understand that by posting a message they relinquish all copywrite to the contents of that message, and the forum owner and moderators may at any time edit, delete or lock that message. Hi Chris, If you make that rule I wouldn't join or contribute to your board. Are you going to claim copyright on an entire post, including any diagrams or photographs that a member uploads? Many members like to attach personal pictures, but they don't necessarily want the board owner to claim ownership of them. If you have one rule for a member's pictures, why a different one for their words? It all seems simple enough to me. If something appears on your board which you don't like -- delete it. Don't continue to publish it while preventing the author from accessing it, by closing a topic or having an edit time limit. regards, Martin.
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wingnutter Forever Learning
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I think an edit time limit is essential if you have a busy board. I had problems with spammers posting innocent looking posts and months later coming back and editing them with spam adverts. I doubt if many admins want to be looking back through thousands or even hundreds of thousands of old posts every day to check for edited posts that might now have spam or stuff that flouts our forum rules.
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wingnutter Forever Learning
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I think an edit time limit is essential if you have a busy board. I had problems with spammers posting innocent looking posts and months later coming back and editing them with spam adverts. I doubt if many admins want to be looking back through thousands or even hundreds of thousands of old posts every day to check for edited posts that might now have spam or stuff that flouts our forum rules.
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TheSnowHorse Esistenza è futile
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martin_wynne wrote:It all seems simple enough to me. If something appears on your board which you don't like -- delete it. Don't continue to publish it while preventing the author from accessing it, by closing a topic or having an edit time limit. Ypu're changing what you originally said here. Any forum admin may not "like" something someone posts - but just to delete it for that reason kinda defeats the whole purpose of getting others views and opinions on topics. And to let posters edit or delete what they may have posted and changed their mind about - for whatever reason - will just screw up the whole flow of the threads. After awhile none of it would make sense. Not liking something and copy write issues are two totally different things. Most posters join a board to interact with people and do not needlessly worry about all this - again - most folks know that if they post somewhere - chances are it will be there for a long, long, long time. You don't want it hanging out in cyberspace - then don't post it. Case in point - if one googles martin_wynne you can read stuff you wrote back as far as 2002. Do you keep tabs on all that? I don't think so. Now if you are talking about some kind of technical board or creative writing or photography forum then I can see your point - kinda, sorta, maybe - but if you are talking a casual social networking forum - like this one - then I think you are off track. (not meant to be a pun since you are in to trains....) martin_wynne wrote: If you make that rule I wouldn't join or contribute to your board. From your forum: "Please read this important note about copyright: Unless stated otherwise, all the files submitted to this web site are copyright and the property of the respective contributor. You are welcome to use them for your own personal non-commercial purposes. If you want to re-publish any of this material or use it commercially, you must first obtain the owner's permission to do so. I find it curious that you are all in to the copy write deal yet you give permission for anyone to use any content posted - no matter the author - for personal use. Did you ask all members if this was okay with them? Does that not make the copy write point a moot one?  Sheesh. Too early for all this. LOL All this aside I do agree with your point sometimes and I do wish Boutty would mark his writings that are all over the net 'verse as copy write protected. Anyone can steal his poems and stories. It may be implied but maybe he just gives them freely to the world as I doubt copy write laws are of a concern to him. I may be wrong. (I've been "stealing" them for years and I put them in my blogs  )
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TheSnowHorse Esistenza è futile
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wingnutter wrote: I think an edit time limit is essential if you have a busy board. I had problems with spammers posting innocent looking posts and months later coming back and editing them with spam adverts. I doubt if many admins want to be looking back through thousands or even hundreds of thousands of old posts every day to check for edited posts that might now have spam or stuff that flouts our forum rules. Did you like have a deja vu moment there, Wing? LOL 
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lor License Holder
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Ok I accept that a specialised board showing cetain types of Photographs or postings may involve copyright but the normal social interaction board should not be bothered by the copywrite on postings, If martin_waynne did not agree and refussed to join the board then it would be no big loss! (Not meant as an insult, just a practical approach) Thousands of people just want to post messages to the forum an reply to others. They are really not concerned about the copyright and they understand that if they swear or post obscene posts then they will be edited! In fact the Wowultra software has a built in editor that will change certain words automaticaly! Is this illegal? Chris
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Devans License Holder 
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The following is from a Copyright Attorney about your copyright rights on a public forum. Im sure this will be disagreed with by someone, but this is what I received... My understanding is this.
Copyright is the automatic right of the creator from the point that the first 'recorded' the work in a tangible manner. In this case, from the point you type it in on the keyboard. So this would mean that as the 'creator' of the post, you are the copyright owner. However....
In short my understanding is that while you are the copyright owner, by posting on the forum you have already given the site owner permission to use your work
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lor License Holder
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Exactly, Even Newspaper letter pages edit the contents of the letter for various reasons, size etc. Chris
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wingnutter Forever Learning
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TheSnowHorse wrote:wingnutter wrote:I think an edit time limit is essential if you have a busy board. I had problems with spammers posting innocent looking posts and months later coming back and editing them with spam adverts. I doubt if many admins want to be looking back through thousands or even hundreds of thousands of old posts every day to check for edited posts that might now have spam or stuff that flouts our forum rules. Yes indeed, several in fact.
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wingnutter Forever Learning
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Dean's post is interesting. I read a similar opinion on another forum a year or so back (it may even have been the old WOW forum) and it just about mirrored what's in Dean's post above. Has anyone considered that if admins couldn't legally edit or delete posts without the authors consent, then we wouldn't be allowed to delete spam? That would be a ridiculous and totally unworkable situation and would kill off most forums in days once the spammers found out they had the law on their side. We could debate this forever, but it seems like we shouldn't have too much cause for concern or hair pulling in reality. Last edited on Mon Dec 15th, 2008 09:54 am by wingnutter |
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martin_wynne Licence Holder
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Dean wrote:In short my understanding is that while you are the copyright owner, by posting on the forum you have already given the site owner permission to use your work Agreed, but the more important point is whether that permission is irrevocable, or whether it can be withdrawn at a later date. I think we should follow the Yahoo Groups terms of service: while you leave content on their server you grant them full rights to use it, but you can withdraw that right simply by deleting it. You are not at any time prevented from deleting material which you have posted. I think this is an important principle which we should follow. A member who posts something to the board should not be prevented from deleting it later. That means no locking of topics and no time-limit on editing. If you go on publishing a member's content after denying his access to it, you can't assume that you still have his permission to use it. What I still can't understand is why you would want to. If you have a spammer on your board the obvious thing is to remove him, not lock his posts. If there is something in a topic or post causing trouble, the obvious thing is to edit it out or delete it, not to lock it in place. regards, Martin.
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martin_wynne Licence Holder
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wingnutter wrote: Has anyone considered that if admins couldn't legally edit or delete posts without the authors consent, then we wouldn't be allowed to delete spam? That would be a ridiculous and totally unworkable situation and would kill off most forums in days once the spammers found out they had the law on their side. Hi Steve, The board is your property and you are not required to have anything on there against your wishes. You can edit or delete every last word that appears. Deleting is always safe. It's not a good idea to extensively edit a member's words for fear of misrepresenting his meaning. As editor and publisher of my board I do quite often tidy up spelling and grammar in members' posts, in the same way that a magazine editor would. After a few days I tidy up whole topics, removing excessive blank lines and unnecessary repeat quoting, excessive use of smilies, etc. The idea is make each topic a comfortable and coherent read for those browsing the board at a later date. regards, Martin.
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wingnutter Forever Learning
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Thats about how I do it as well Martin. I try in particular to correct typos in the subject headers so they will be easier for the Search function to index. Also if I find posts with either long links or tons of smileys that make the pages run wide off the screen, I will fix them when I come across them. All in all, I guess it's the run of the mill stuff we all do.
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