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 Posted: Mon Dec 8th, 2008 05:45 pm
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Can you tell me please the amount of time between making a post and editing it,  if you are an ordinary member of a form please?

I can't seem to see anything about it in admin or if there is an option to change the time lapse.

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 Posted: Mon Dec 8th, 2008 08:08 pm
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Mag wrote: Can you tell me please the amount of time between making a post and editing it,  if you are an ordinary member of a form please?

I can't seem to see anything about it in admin or if there is an option to change the time lapse.

Hi Mag,

Admin > Topics > Topic Limits > Time Limit on Editing Posts

But please don't set a limit. It's infuriating to be denied the opportunity to correct a mistake in one of your own posts. And there could be copyright issues if you continue to publish a member's post after unilaterally changing the terms of his access to the site. The same applies to closed/locked topics. Don't do it.

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 Posted: Mon Dec 8th, 2008 08:37 pm
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Thanks Martin.  I see that it was set to 1 hour by default.  I have changed this to 0

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 Posted: Mon Dec 8th, 2008 10:27 pm
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But please don't set a limit. It's infuriating to be denied the opportunity to correct a mistake in one of your own posts. And there could be copyright issues if you continue to publish a member's post after unilaterally changing the terms of his access to the site. The same applies to closed/locked topics. Don't do it.

Totally disagree with this one. You will get members who get mad and will delete posts and all kinds of stuff if you allow them to edit whenever they feel like it. Seen it cause havoc on many forums. An hour is plenty time to correct mistakes. IMO.

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 Posted: Mon Dec 8th, 2008 10:30 pm
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Yes that can be a problem. I have mine set to 99 hours, which is the maximum without actually having no time limit at all.

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 Posted: Mon Dec 8th, 2008 10:59 pm
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I have mine set to 24 hours..... if they need to fix a mistake beyond that, they usually email or PM me and ask me to do it for them.... never caused any problems for me.

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 Posted: Mon Dec 8th, 2008 11:18 pm
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TheSnowHorse wroteTotally disagree with this one. You will get members who get mad and will delete posts and all kinds of stuff if you allow them to edit whenever they feel like it. Seen it cause havoc on many forums. An hour is plenty time to correct mistakes. IMO.
Hi,

The post is their copyright and if you go on publishing it against their wishes you could get a lot of grief.

It's their post to delete or not from your server as they wish. You don't own it.

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  • Subject matter limitations and the "idea/expression dichotomy". Copyright applies only to certain subject matter, codified within 17 USC 102. Works that are not "original works of authorship fixed in any tangible medium of expression" are not subject to copyright. 17 U.S.C. § 102(b) codifies that copyright protection does not extend to ideas, procedures, processes, systems, etc. Facts may not be copyrighted. Feist.
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     Posted: Mon Dec 8th, 2008 11:49 pm
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    Martin if I felt that way I wouldn't have a board and would just shut this place down.

    It takes about $2000 USD to get a lawyer to do anything on this side of the globe. If someone wants to spend that kind of money because they are angered by something on a forum I would laugh all the way to the delete button.

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     Posted: Tue Dec 9th, 2008 12:18 am
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    More Than That, It Cost My Next Door Neighbor 10 grand to defend himself against a false accusation in court two weeks ago, I know because I was a Witness to the fact the incident did not take place. He Won!

     

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     Posted: Tue Dec 9th, 2008 01:32 am
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    No he lost. 10 grand. We need some serious re working of the judicial system. It is so far out of hand we would have to dissolve it and start over to make any sense of it.

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     Posted: Tue Dec 9th, 2008 10:52 am
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    If the guy won, does the court not award him costs?

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     Posted: Tue Dec 9th, 2008 10:55 am
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    Many forums have terms and conditions at registration to cover themselves against the problems that Martin is I think hinting at.

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     Posted: Tue Dec 9th, 2008 11:56 am
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    I was always under the impression that it is the owner of the board who carries the responsibility for what is posted on his/her forum.

    Last edited on Tue Dec 9th, 2008 11:56 am by Robert

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     Posted: Tue Dec 9th, 2008 12:31 pm
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    Just had a thought.  If we were to leave every single post on our boards because of "copyright" we would have massive files and it would cost us a fortune to have bigger and bigger packages.  I prune our topics on a regular basis and no one has ever complained.

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     Posted: Tue Dec 9th, 2008 01:56 pm
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    Mag wrote: Just had a thought.  If we were to leave every single post on our boards because of "copyright" we would have massive files and it would cost us a fortune to have bigger and bigger packages.  I prune our topics on a regular basis and no one has ever complained.
    Hi Mag,

    It's your web site and you don't have to have any content on there against your wishes. You can delete as much of it as you wish, unless you have specifically contracted with someone to display their content.

    This issue is not about deleting content, but about continuing to display content against the owner's wishes.

    Under UK law I have written sufficient original material in this post that it is automatically my copyright. I'm implicitly giving Jim permission to publish it on his server by clicking the Send button. I do that in full knowledge of the current rules on here, which may have informed my decision to post it. Knowing that I can come back at any time and change it may have played an important part in my decision to post.

    I can withdraw that permission at any time, and if Jim were to continue to publish it from his server after that he would be infringing my copyright. (Whether I would choose to do anything about it is a separate issue.)

    This means that if you lock a topic or reduce the time limit rule after a post has been made, you can't be sure that you still have the sender's permission to display his content on your site. He may not have posted in the first place had he known those conditions would apply.

    I have never locked a topic other than my own on my board, nor imposed any time limit, and I really can't understand why I would ever want to do such a thing. If a post is inappropriate or unwanted, the proper thing to do is to delete it.

    regards,

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     Posted: Tue Dec 9th, 2008 05:23 pm
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    martin_wynne wrote: ...He may not have posted in the first place had he known those conditions would apply...

    Then it makes sense to have it all on your conditions/FAQ page, but it might be difficult to pre-emp all possible situations so that the conditions cover you against it all. I mean, most of us never even thought of these things before your post Martin.  :)

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    Damn, Martin. Are you ever not - like -  serious boy? :cool:

    I don't think you have belonged to many forums or something because to let folks edit their posts, days, weeks, months, years after it was posted is insane.
    I don't know any boards that allow that and even wings 99 hours blew my mind. 

    The unwritten rule of the net is if you don't want it to come back and bite you in the butt somewhere down the line - don't post it. To worry about copywrites and all that (which btw - technically you are correct - posts are ones own and copywrite protected) sure does suck all the fun out of things!

    If one is posting poems, stories etc then they may need to take heed but things like this post - I don't think so. If someone on my board wants something gone - all they need do is ask.

    Just my take - anyone is free to do as they see fit.
     
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     Posted: Sat Dec 13th, 2008 11:40 am
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    I've noticed members have been saying..

    "This is copyright [username here] PM me if you wish to use on your forum."

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     Posted: Sat Dec 13th, 2008 01:23 pm
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    Sakura wrote: I've noticed members have been saying..

    "This is copyright [username here] PM me if you wish to use on your forum."

    That would be a bit silly, because by clicking Send they are implicitly giving you permission to publish it. That's what the Send button does.

    It doesn't alter the fact that the copyright in it remains their property. That's the accepted position with regard to pictures -- why would words be any different?

    Martin.

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